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Last Updated Dec 2008


 
U.S. Associate Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas
By James Wright
AFRO Staff Writer

(December 4, 2008) - 

U.S. Associate Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has asked his colleagues on the court to consider the request of an East Brunswick, N.J. attorney, who has filed a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president.

Thomas’s action took place after Justice David Souter had already rejected a petition for the stay of a writ of certiorari that asked the court to prevent the meeting of the Electoral College on Dec. 15, which will certify Obama as the 44th president of the United States and its first African-American president.

The court has scheduled a Dec. 5 conference on the writ—just 10 days before the Electoral College meets.

The high court’s only African American is bringing the matter to his colleagues as a result of an emergency stay request filed by attorney Leo Donofrio. Donofrio sued the New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Wells, contending that Obama was not qualified to be on the state’s presidential ballot because of Donofrio’s own questions about Obama’s status as a natural born U.S. citizen.

Donofrio is a retired lawyer who identifies himself as a “citizen’s advocate.” The {AFRO} learned that he is a contributor to naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com, a Web site that raises questions about Obama’s citizenship.

Calls made to Donofrio’s residence were not returned to the {AFRO} by press time.

Donofrio is questioning Obama’s eligibility because the former Illinois senator, whose mom was from Kansas, was born in Hawaii and his father was a Kenyan national. Therefore, Donofrio argues that Obama’s supposed dual citizenship—in Kenya because of his father’s citizenship there and the United States because he was born in Hawaii—does not make Obama “a natural born citizen” as required by Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution. It states: “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President.”

Donofrio had initially tried to remove the names not only of Obama, but also the names of Republican Party presidential nominee John McCain and Socialist Workers’ Party candidate Roger Calero from appearing on the Nov. 4 general election ballot in his home state of New Jersey.

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone when it was a U.S. possession. Calero would be ineligible to be president because he was born in Nicaragua.
After his efforts were unsuccessful in the New Jersey court system, he decided to take his case to a higher level.

According to Supreme Court documents, on Nov. 3, Donofrio submitted his application for a stay pending the filing and disposition of a petition for a writ of certiorari questioning Obama’s citizenship to Justice Souter. Souter received the documents because he is the presiding justice of the Third U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which includes New Jersey.

On Nov. 6, Souter denied the stay. Donofrio, following the rules of the procedure for the Supreme Court, re-submitted the application as an emergency stay in accordance to Rule 22, which states, in part, that an emergency stay can be given to another justice, which is the choice of the petitioner.  Donofrio’s choice was Thomas. He submitted the emergency stay to Thomas’s office on Nov. 14.

Thomas took the application on Nov. 19 and on that day submitted it for consideration by his eight colleagues - known as a conference - and scheduled it for Dec. 5.

On Nov. 26, a supplemental brief was filed by Donofrio to the clerk’s office of the Supreme Court. A letter to the court explaining the reason for the emergency stay was filed on Dec. 1 at the clerk’s office.

Filing the application with Thomas was unusual, experts say, because by custom, when a justice rejects a petition from his own circuit, the matter is dead.

Thomas’ referral of the petition, however, was less extraordinary.
“It is not common, but it does happen,” said Susan Bloch, a Georgetown University Law professor and author of {Supreme Court Politics: The Institution and its Procedures}. “Generally, the justices do what the first justice does.”

Conjecture has arisen over Thomas’ action, however, since he could have denied Donofrio’s request.

Trevor Morrison, a constitutional law professor at Columbia University School of Law, suggested that Thomas may have been seeking an end to the matter.
"My guess would be that Thomas referred the case to the conference so that the full Court can deny it. If Thomas denied the application on his own, then Donofrio would be free to go to the other justices for their consideration,” Morrison said.
“This way,” the law professor continued, “the matter would be done with. Applications of this sort are hardly ever granted."

The AFRO reached out to Justice Thomas, but, traditionally, justices do not respond to media queries, according to a spokesman from the Supreme Court Public Information Office.

To put Donofrio’s emergency stay on the oral argument docket takes a simple majority of five justices. Because it is an emergency by design, the argument would take place within days.

Donofrio wants the court to order the Electoral College to postpone its Dec. 15 proceedings until it rules on Obama’s eligibility. He is using the 2000 case {Bush vs. Gore} case as precedent, arguing that it is of such compelling national interest that it should be given priority over other cases on the court’s docket.

“The same conditions apply here,” Donofrio said in his letter to the court, “as the clock is ticking down to Dec. 15, the day for the Electoral College to meet.”
Audrey Singer, a senior fellow at Washington’s Brookings Institution, who is an expert on immigration, said that the Donofrio matter is “going nowhere.”

“There is no way that anyone can argue about whether Barack Obama is a citizen,” Singer said. “In this country, we have a system known as jus soli or birthright by citizenship. You are a citizen by being born on American soil and he (Obama) was born in Hawaii.”

Singer said that Donofrio’s argument that Obama’s father was a Kenyan national does not matter because citizenship is not based on parentage, but on where someone was born.  “This is the issue that some people have with illegal aliens in our country,” she said. “Children of illegal aliens, if they are born in the United States, are U.S. citizens. That is in the U.S. Constitution.”

“You are a citizen by being born on American soil and he (Obama) was born in Hawaii.”

Jerome Barron, a law professor at the George Washington University Law School, said in his mind, the issue is clear what a natural born citizen is.
“A natural born citizen is one who was born within the United States and its territories and possessions,” Barron said. “It is someone who is born under the American flag. I have raised three kids in the District and it is not a state, but I can assume they can run for president.”

Bloch, who teaches a seminar on the Supreme Court, said that to the best of her knowledge, the Supreme Court has not ruled on what is “a natural-born citizen.”
Donofrio’s suit is one of many challenges to Obama’s eligibility.

Last spring, the Obama campaign sought to end the controversy when it released his actual Hawaii birth certificate. In an Oct. 31 statement, the director of Hawaii’s Department of Health further buttressed Obama’s claim, saying he had personally seen and verified that the state has “Obama’s original birth certificate on record,” which shows that he was born there.

 

Update - 12/6/08

Obama Eligibility Challenged:

A decision on whether the Supreme Court will grant a hearing questioning the eligibility of Barack Obama to become the 44th president of the United States because of concerns regarding his U.S. citizenship, in the case of Donofrio vs. Wells, will not be issued by the U.S. Supreme Court until Dec. 8, according to a court spokeswoman. The Donofrio case was not one of the two cases granted a hearing on Dec.5.

 

 

  

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Singer is dead wrong. In order to be President of the US or Vice President. ONLY these two positions in the USA require that the person running for the office has to be a Natural born citizen. Not every American citizen even if born in this country is a "natural" born citizen. Anchor babies would be considered Native born as they were born to two parents who are not citizens of the USA. Obama had one parent who was foreign born who also gave Obama dual citizenship to Kenya (British Colony at the time) which made Obama a British and American Citizen. According to Donofrio, even if Obama was born in HI this makes him ineligible as he is not a Natural born citizen. His dad would have had to be a citizen of USA for him to qualify.
Posted By: joan K on Dec 2008
Mr. Wright, Respectfully, there are a few points in your article that are not correct. First, if you read Mr. Donofrio’s comments on naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com, you will see that this matter was referred to conference by the full court. Second, Mr. Donofrio has stated that he did not submit a writ of certiorari. That would be governed by different court rules than his “emergency stay application”. See http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/confirmed-by-scotus-donofrio-v-wells-was-distributed-for-conference-of-december-5-2008-by-the-full-united-states-supreme-court/ Third, Audrey Singer may be an immigration expert, but clearly she has not read the entire filing. Donofrio’s complaint against the New Jersey Secretary of State is not about citizenship through immigration. It is about eligibility for the Office of the President. Our Constitution clearly states that eligibility to hold the position of President of the United States is different from mere citizenship. Natural born citizenship at the time of birth is not only the location, but having no allegiance to another country or jurisdiction. Anyway, that’s all explained in Donofrio’s articles at naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com and links found there to previously posted articles. Thank you.
Posted By: T V on Dec 2008
Nice work, wonder why this is not in the other papers.
Posted By: L L on Dec 2008
Big difference between a citizen & a natural born citizen. You must be a natural born citzen to hold the office of the President of the United States. Singer knows that.
Posted By: Max J on Dec 2008
I have been following this issue very closely and I believe this it one of the best written articles available on the topic. One minor correction, it is not whether or not Barack Obama is a citizen, this is not the Constitutional requirement. The Constitution requires a Presidents to be a "natural born citizen." This is not a status one can obtain, but must be born with. The framers wanted to ensure that Presidents did not have duel and compelling loyalties. Thank you for including this even handed fact based article in your publication!
Posted By: Jody B on Dec 2008
This story is appalling for its inaccuracy. Donofrio, like Berg before him, has filed a petition for a writ of certiorari. That petition will be considered in the normal course of the court's action on Friday, December 5, but there is nothing unusual abut this, and the odds of Donfrio or Berg winning their writ are about 1 in 80. The issue that is presented her is invented by the journalists, who if they checked with competent counsel would have been told this is bunk.
Posted By: westsidedavid s on Dec 2008
Mr. Wright, sir, your article is perhaps the most accurate I've seen to date on the upcoming court case. With one small, but VERY significant difference. Donofrio is NOT challenging Obama's Citizen Status. Obama IS a US Citizen. But because his father was a British Citizen with Obama was born, Obama is a Citizen, but not a NATURAL BORN Citizen, even being born in Hawaii. Please consult Vols 7 & 8 of the Foreign Affairs Manuals and it'll make sense. Also, pls visit Mr Donofrio's blog -- he explains it VERY well there: http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/article/29871.html?OBAMA+ADMITS+HE+WAS+BRITISH+CITIZEN+AT+BIRTH+-+AS+SUCH+OBAMA+IS+NOT+A+NATURAL+BORN+CITIZEN+OF+US Regards,
Posted By: Robert R on Dec 2008
Thanks for getting us an objective story on this issue. Thomas is a fine justice and protector of our rights. It is in good hands. Singer however should have done some research. The Constitution is quite clear that the office of President requires one to be a "Natural Born Citizen" not just a "Citizen". That is not an immigration issue.
Posted By: s d on Dec 2008
I disagree with the so-called experts that say this is going nowhere. Donofrio has a very strong case where no precedent has ever been set. These are in fact the types of cases SCOTUS loves to consider. Also, conveniently the writer did not mention the other 17 lawsuits that are working their way through various levels of state and federal courts or the fact that at least 2-3 more are also on the SCOTUS docket. Hang on folks, it looks like there are some fireworks ahead for this country.
Posted By: FreeAmerica 5 on Dec 2008
With all due respect to Ms. Singer, she has obviously not read the details of the case nor the the arguments made is the case. Donofrio is NOT challenging Obama's CITIZENSHIP. He is challenging the NATURAL BORN CITIZEN status of Obama, McCain and Calero (socialist party candidate). And Donofrio asks that the Supreme Court answer the question of what constitutes a "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" as provided in Article II of the Constitution. Neither Congress nor the courts have ever clarified the question. IN FACT, Donofrio points out that he believes Obama IS a CITIZEN . . . but because his Father was a British subject at the time of birth, Barack Jr thus has/had dual loyalties and cannot be a 'natural born citizen'. In a nutshell that is what the case is about. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH Obama's birth certificate.
Posted By: John F on Dec 2008
This is really sad. Just another baseless attempt to try and prevent the "best" hope and positive this country has seen in a long time truly help lead our country back to a strong standing around the world. Shame on you Justice Thomas...Shame....
Posted By: Tamika J on Dec 2008
Unfortunately, native born and citizen are not necessarily synonymous. A native born citizen is the only type of citizen eligible for the presidency. Once can be a citizen and hold any other office, but one must be native born and a citizen to be the president. Schwarzenegger is a citizen, but not native born....he therefore cannot be president. The argument is that Obama had dual citizenship American/British citizenship at birth, therefore was born with dual loyalties and was subject to American and British law. A natural born citizen is born under the jurisdiction of only American law. (Children of people who are citizens or naturalized citizens do not have dual loyalties, it is argued) Children with two foreign born parents, who are born in the United States are citizens, only if their parents are not ambassadors of a foreign country or are not engaged in hostilities against this country at the time of their birth. The question is: Does Barack Obama having been born with dual citizenship, qualify as native born, since his father was never naturalized and had never relinquished his loyalty to Britain and Kenya? Is his mother's ability to transmit citizenship enough, given that she was under the age of transmission of citizenship (five years past the age of 14) at the time of Obama's birth? Does this matter, since we have already had a president whose father was a Canadian citizen when he was born? Finally, who decides if a Presidential candidate meets this test? Congress? When does Congress determine this? By what law? There is no current law or legal mechanism in place for Congress to do so. It is a test that has never been before the Supreme Court or before Congress. Will the Supreme Court force the issue by saying Berg has standing to bring this case? Will they make a ruling on who does have the stature to bring this case? Or will they let the findings of the lower courts stand?
Posted By: Vanessa M on Dec 2008
Uncle Tom!!!!!!!
Posted By: Vanessa T on Dec 2008
There are a few factual errors in this story. Please check the 'simple majority of five justices' statement. The rules state that only 4 justices need to agree to hearing the case, not a majority of 5. Also, the question has been raised because of the 1961 laws on the books in Hawaii that grant a parent the right to gain a "Certification of Live Birth" for the state of Hawaii (which is the only document Obama has ever presented as proof of his US Birth) even when the child has been born in another state or foreign country. Laying the speculation to rest would be simple if Obama would simply present his long form vault copy of his birth certificate, which he says in his autobiography that he has and which John McCain presented during the campaign. But he refuses to do so. Instead, he's spent somewhere between half and 3 quarters of a million dollars defending against releasing it. If Obama was truly born in Hawaii, he could end this right now. So why won't he?
Posted By: Lilly P on Dec 2008
White racist painted brown. Who is the nut job and why is he on the Supreme Courta? Well, actually it's easy to see why: to make the white racists seem less so when he does their work. What a lap dog!
Posted By: basementfrog f on Dec 2008
Ventage clarence thomas!
Posted By: Art B on Dec 2008
This is a slap in the face of the millions of Americans who worked, canvassed, voted and love our president-elect Barack Obama. Hawaii is the birthplace of Barack Obama his mother is an American born in Kansas, whose family moved to Hawaii. Don't we have other more serious things for the Supreme Court to rule one? Is this a valid case?
Posted By: Judy A on Dec 2008
Some of you may accept the document posted on Obama's website as a valid birth certificate, but I assure you numerous citizen do not! If Obama has nothing to hide, then why cause all is records sealed, including a birth certificate that was supposed to be on file in Hawaii. The state never said they could certify it; only that one was on file; one can file any birth certificate from any place. Do not depend upon factcheck!
Posted By: Scarlete J on Dec 2008
The issue of concern is not that he is the son of a foreigner, but that he has not shown that he was actually born in Hawaii. The certificate the Obama campaign has apparently provided to the media demonstrates a birth registered with the state of Hawaii, not one IN the state of Hawaii. That being said, I hope he demonstrates his place of birth, thereby establishes that he is indeed a natural born citizen and proceeds to do a great job in office. He has the potential to be a great President and we need one.
Posted By: Joe P on Dec 2008
This is a very factual article. I saw one mistake in that only 4 judges need to agree to hear oral arguments and not a majority of 5. The article could have spent more time on the difference between a "Natural Born Citizen" and anchor babies. Most of the founding father's were born on U.S. soil and they recognized that they themselves were not "Natural Born Citizens" hence the grandfather clause in article II. Overall best article I've read on the subject to date.
Posted By: TJ F on Dec 2008
This article isn't clear. The constitution, as most people understand it, stipulates that one must be born on US soil to be eligible. Obama was. His Father was not. I don't understand what loophole Donofrio is attempting to use here because there is no case as far as I can see. Please explain.
Posted By: T J on Dec 2008
Dual citizenship? How amazing. Are you kidding me? You have illegal immigrants who cross the boarder all the time, give birth in the US and their children are automatic US citizens. And then we have Barack who's mother WAS actually a legal and natural citizen, (grandparents too I'm sure) born in Hawaii, USA and now he's a dual citizen. Wow! Can't get any better than that! And this Jigga Boo as Negro Clearence Thomas, Negro please...
Posted By: Teena B on Dec 2008
Clarence Thomas has been a disgrace to the judiciary since he was appointed. He is not qualified to be a justice of the peace much less the supreme court. He never asks any questions during court procedings and votes with Scalia 99.9% of the time. Now, he chooses to waste any capital he may have on this ridiculous effort. A very serious man indeed.
Posted By: charlie c on Dec 2008
The issue is not whether he is a U.S. Citizen its whether he is a 'NATURAL BORN' citizens. This issue keeps getting clouded, whther that is purposeful or not, I'll leave up to you.
Posted By: Miss T on Dec 2008
Singer's comment is totally insane. Obama himself has said he is a born dual citizen: UK-US. And singer is also wrong about the children of illegal aliens. While it's correct that they are citizens of the US due to their birth on US soil, they are NOT citizens under the 14th Amendment, but by statute, if one of their parents' subjection under foreign jurisdiction is relevant for the child. In any case they are NOT "natural born citizens". And Donofrio claims that you can't be a "natural born citizen" and become President, if you were under dual jurisdiction at birth. Singer an expert? LOL.
Posted By: John R on Dec 2008
Is it for certain that Obama was born in Hawaii? Has anyone seen the original certificate of live birth?
Posted By: Jimmy G on Dec 2008
Singer is not looking at this in context of the Presidency. A child of illegal aliens may indeed be a US CITIZEN - but look at the case law - can that child become a U.S. Senator? YES. Can he or she become the U.S. president? No. Unless they are born to two U.S. Citizens on U.S. soil or on U.S. Territory they are not natural born - the pre-requisite for the Presidency.
Posted By: Susan R on Dec 2008
Clarence, why don't you just come out and say it. You are jealous. Pick yourself up by YOUR bootstraps and take a hike. You couldn't be Barach on your BEST day!
Posted By: Kimberly C on Dec 2008
The preponderance of evidence is such as to warrant an investigation.
Posted By: Jay C on Dec 2008
This is a very nicely written piece. While I am sure the writer has a position, it is not obvious by his writing. Not much sensationalism here and I am happy for the lessons about the judicial branch that I have garnered. The unfortunate result of anything about Justice Thomas is that they are usually made by his detractors. The more popular websites will not be so kind in their reporting of this particular topic. Nice website, though, I hope you get more hits in the future.
Posted By: Victor J on Dec 2008
From the Supreme Court itself: "If a Justice acts alone to deny an application, a petitioner may reapply to any other Justice of his or her choice, and theoretically can continue until a majority of the Court has denied the application. In practice, applications usually are referred to the full Court by the second Justice to avoid such a prolonged procedure." Source: A REPORTER’S GUIDE TO APPLICATIONS Pending Before The Supreme Court of the United States
Posted By: Helpful C on Dec 2008
This is one of the most intelligent articles I have read on this issue, and trust me, I have read them all. I'm going to email this to everyone I know. Thank you! -white older female who wholeheartedly voted for Obama
Posted By: Judi M on Dec 2008
The article is incorrect in stating that the State of Hawaii has confirmed that Obama is a natural born citizen. They have only stated that they have his birth certificate on file. Hawaii issues birth certificate for citizens born on foreign soil of parent of a U.S. Citizen. Until the birth certificate is reviewed by the courts, we will not know what the birth certificate says about Obama's being able to met the requirements of a "Natural Born Citizen."
Posted By: James B on Dec 2008
C.Thomas is a uncle Tom, and your upset that your not president every one who supported him will still stand behind their vote. The PEOPLE have spoken,we choose him as our president. He was a citizen when he ran for the senate seat in Chi-Town, he is still a citizen now that he is our first African American president. So Uncle Tom just get ready to release that seat to someon who cares about the real citizens of the U.S.
Posted By: Nikki W on Dec 2008
Here we go again everyone! What is inside quotations and what is not is part of this whole problem that is being dealt with now. We add our opinions and try to state the whole thing as fact. I say, "B.S."
Posted By: James T on Dec 2008
The article is incorret in saying that the official of Hawaii has said Obama is a U.S. Citizen. They have only stated that they have his birth certificate. The state will issue a birth certificate for childrern born in a foreign country of U.S. Citizens. Thus, it is possible that Obama was born in Kenya. Also, the U.S. Constitution requires the president to be a "natural born" citizen. It is questionable that Obama meets that criteria.
Posted By: James B on Dec 2008
Your writers should do their homework. The question has nothing to do with his father being a Kenyan national. It is only about whether or not Obama was truly born in Hawaii. There is an interesting set of circumstances and it is peculiar that Obama hasn't come out and quashed all the discourse which he could easily do by providing his true birth certificate from Hawaii
Posted By: John M on Dec 2008
There are many other thIngs Justice Thomas should focus on such as women's rights and making sure he never violates them. This attitude, like what has gone on for the last 8 years, causes unnecessary time wasting dialogues about issues that no one, except those so insulated from reality and want to find something to complain about, want to throw in the face of those who are trying to move forward. I think of the Anita Hill case every time I see or hear about Justice Thomas, and I feel let down by our justice system as well as a great deal of disgust.
Posted By: ED G on Dec 2008
This attorney's claim is totally bogus. The country has voted - Obama is a natural born citizen. GET OVER IT!
Posted By: Shelley J on Dec 2008
his grandmother says she was their when he was born in kenya
Posted By: bill a on Dec 2008
The question is: Is the birth certificate shown on television that was produced by Obam legitimate. If it is then the discrepencies on it are being ignored. The real qyestion is why can't the file be opened to have the one that is refused access by the governor of Hawaii? This smells like fraud and Justices Thomas is bringing the wrong question before the other justices for consideration. It's a slamb dunck that the court will determine that who the father or mother is is irrelevant and where he was born determines citizenship.With that question determined the case will be closed in favor of Obama, but the proof of the real birth certificate will never be allowed to be determined. Case closed ... although there will always be a doubt in the left open in the history books.
Posted By: Joseph K on Dec 2008
There is also a question of whether Obama was ACTUALLY born in Hawaii. The document on the Obama website was a COLB (Certificate of Live Birth) not a Birth Certificate.. the two are mutually exclusive. a BC is a legal document, a COLB is not. You can't use a COLB in place of a BC as proof. At the time Obama was born, it was common practice for foreign born children of a US parent or parents to be registered as being born in Hawaii because the law allowed it. A Hawaiian COLB may be issued, but a BC could be from a foreign country. Obama HAS NOT presented his original vault Birth Certificate! Taking the word of the Hawaiian Gov. office is NOT sufficient. We need to see this document in the open, and THIS is what the lawsuits are about. In the meantime, Obama's grandmother has stated she was present at his birth in Kenya, and their is an affidavit to this effect. You need to be less one-sided and be honest about the facts. If an African-American becomes president by subterfuge that voids the Constitution, this cheats the legitimacy of a true African-American President.
Posted By: Steve B on Dec 2008
You are incorrect in your last statement; "saying he had personally seen and verified that the state has"Obama's original birth certificate on record" which shows that he was born there." This is the problem. We do not know what the original birth certificate says and no one from the Hawaii Department of Health has said what is on that original birth certificate. You are completely misleading to say "which shows that he was born there". This is why someone of impartial authority needs to verify what is recorded on the birth certificate because it is Hawaiian law that even a foreign born child can be given an Hawaiian Birth Certificate if the mother of said child claimed Hawaii as her place of residence for one year before the birth. Why not release the original birth certificate? Got something to hide?
Posted By: David B on Dec 2008
He did not release his "actual Hawaii birth certificate". He posted a (possibly altered) Certification of Live Birth. The State of Hawaii distinguishes between the two itself, when it posts the requirement for claiming homestead land. See: http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl It's all in the section titled Primary Documents.
Posted By: Peter C on Dec 2008
Obama was born in Kenya, and if he can prove otherwise, whip out the REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE MR. OBAMA??? Otherwise, STEP DOWN!!!!
Posted By: Rose G on Dec 2008
The Justices routinely get refiled Applications that have been denied by a prior justice. Just as routinely they deny them. Almost just as routinely they refer them to the whole Court so that the matter can be put to rest. Justice Thomas, the Court's most brilliant jurist, did nothing out of the ordinary by making the referral
Posted By: James H on Dec 2008
That isn't in the US constitution Singer.
Posted By: h h on Dec 2008
They would take this up when they wouldn't touch the suit protesting the fact that Cheney and Bush were from the same state! Cheney had a homestead exemption in Texas and hadn't lived in Wyoming in years. That was against the Constituion.
Posted By: carolyn G on Dec 2008
It is amazing the extent to which so many reporters have such little knowledge about Obama's birth certificate issue. Obama DID NOT release his actual birth certificate to anyone. NO ONE has seen it, because Obama refuses to make it available. Obama did post an "alleged" copy of his certification of live birth on his website. In Hawaii, a certification of live birth IS NOT a birth certificate, and fails to contain important information about the person. Please get your facts straight before you write these articles.
Posted By: Fred J on Dec 2008
LOL. You bent the facts big time. Your Obama luv shines bright.
Posted By: Dee K on Dec 2008
Did they decide whether or not to hear this case? Myspace rumors say they didn't announce it. Do you have any updates? Great article by the way!
Posted By: 2 2 on Dec 2008
Singer and others are misinformed. The issue is not about whether Obama is a "citizen", but whether he is a "natural-born citizen". This latter is an eligibility requirement for the presidency, and is currently the subject of over a dozen lawsuits. This is not something to be dismissed with ill-informed speculation. Leo Donofrio's case is today before review with the US Supreme Court. Here is the essence of his case. Please note that the case has nothing whatever to do with the birth certificate issue, nor with the place where Obama was born. That is the subject of the other lawsuits, but Donofrio's is different. Donofrio's case rests on the observation that Obama's situation and the situation of the Founders/Framers are very similar. In fact, for the purposes of presidential eligibility, they are identical under law. Let me tell you a little story. In order to get themselves qualified to serve as presidents back in the 18th century, the Framers had to add an Amendment to the germane Article of the Constitution which they themselves had penned some five years earlier in 1790, which is the famous "grandfather clause" which provides an exception for "those born before the writing of the Constitution". Clearly, since Obama was not born before 1790, this doesn't help him, and he is definitively barred from being eligible for the selfsame reason that the Framers were barred until they wrote in that little clause for themselves. Got that?
Posted By: Andrew P on Dec 2008
If Obama is not eligible for POTUS, then how did Van Buren become POTUS? Van Buren's mother was not born in the U.S. (dutch) and his father could not have been a citizen of the U.S. given the date of his birth (prior to the U.S.). Van Buren was also not a founding father since he was born in 1782. The only difference between Obama's parents and Van Buren's parents is that Obama's African father's citizenship is contrasted against Van Buren's Dutch mother's citizenship. This matter is so idiotic.
Posted By: Cee R on Dec 2008
Then what makes Obama any less of a "natural born" president that our earlier presidents whose parents were not "natural born" citizens? They were immigrants were then not? Would we be having this distraction if we were talking about his father being from England instead of Africa? Some of our best presidents were not "natural born" citizens, were they not?
Posted By: tony B on Dec 2008
This is the EXACT language, not the interpretation of some of these folks. U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 1 No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides an additional source of constitutional doctrine stating that birth "in the United States" and subjection to U.S. jurisdiction at the time of birth, entitles one to citizenship:
Posted By: Bopper B on Dec 2008
Do you people see yourselfs are you just so full of hate for each other because of color. It is time to stop this mess and then go out here saying In God We Trust.You just liars. It matters not God knows all. Thank You Harvey
Posted By: Harvey S on Dec 2008
ACTION
Posted By: Don M on Dec 2008
I like a lot of the comments here more than the actual article. People are really catching on to what is really going on here. The Supreme Ct. will get to decide what a "natural born citizen" is. It's never been done before. Now is their chance. This case is going to be accepted! :)
Posted By: deanna d on Dec 2008
Let's listen to an expert http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
Posted By: Suzanne L on Dec 2008
Obama's mother was a citizen. He is a citizen because of that. And, I would argur that the Constitution uses the term "natural born citizen" to distinguish from naturalized citizens. The Constitution does not make this distinction for Representatives or Senators.
Posted By: Citizen K on Dec 2008
YOU'RE ALL WRONG! WE THE PEOPLE have spoken, and we chose Obama to be the President Elect. It no longer matter if Obama is or is not a U.S. citizen or a man from Mars. The fact is, WE THE PEOPLE have sovereignty over our Constitution and our three branch government. WE THE PEOPLE make the rules and no one else. 'Under what circumstances can any court or Congress overrule the clear will of the American people? None. This country is owned by We the People. We created the Constitution to limit and shape the powers of government. We can, in point of fact, knowingly elect a felon to the House or Senate and prior US Supreme Court precedents like Powell v. McCormack uphold the inability of the House or Senate to remove the people's choice for any reason other than the qualifications clauses in the Constitution, which are minimal. In turn, at least six US Senators and Representatives have served full terms even though elected when they were TOO young under the constitution. Henry Clay is one example. Here again, this is not flouting the Constitution, this is a recognition of the power of the people to hire whoever they please. As the "boss" of this country, if our qualifications in our Constitution require a "Ph.D." so to speak, we can damn well hire a Master's if we please. Can we "hire" a politician who makes huge campaign promises about war and peace that turn out to be lies? Unfortunately, Yes We Can. Did we? No we didn't. Can we elect a felon and ratify that/assume the risks of that? Yes We Can. Do We the People, the sovereign power of this country, have the power to resolve conflicting claims on a birth certificate where one side claims Kenyan birth and ratify that or assume the risks of that? Puh-leeze. Of course We Can. And yeah, we can ignore discriminatory claims about kenyan birth that, even if true, just don't matter.' http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7951296
Posted By: Kevin Schmidt I on Dec 2008
I blame the Democratic Party for this! Or is this a orchestrated plan for another outcome?
Posted By: Craig S on Dec 2008
Thank you for a fair and balanced article...the first as far as I can tell.
Posted By: Truth Please J on Dec 2008
How can U.S. Supreme Court Justice C. Thomas be impeached? First he caused George W. Bush' win after he (Thomas) got involved with the Florida's electoral vote conflict: we got stuck with Bush for 8 years of misery...now, Thomas gets involved with the Obama's citizenship issue after another Justice rejected the request for review. Is Justice Thomas getting back at Obama for selecting Janet Reno for the DHS' Secretary job because she defended Anita Hill at the Thomas' U.S. Senate confirmation hearing and for bringing up Thomas' sexual harassment moves? Is Thomas mad because he is not Barack Obama? I believe every African-American and any concerned citizen should write to the U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice and tell him how you feel about Justice Thomas decision.
Posted By: Joseph W on Dec 2008
All of you Obama detractors, as you scream at African-Americans regarding "Slavery", President-Elect Obama was chosen by the majority of the people, so get the "f" over it!! A-Holes!!!!
Posted By: Aaron S on Dec 2008
I wish you all had a better life than to sit around and try ANYTHING to get rid of OBAMA.. There has been 43 white presidents and you all are still not satisfied (well 42 cuz I think Jefferson may have been Half black.. Verdict still out on that one).. Anyway still can we just have ONE will it kill you guys!! We have been terrorized enough by you, and it is time we had a voice. You all are just hating on OBAMA bad for no reason! Especially you caucasians who are just plain racist. Your ancestors are from EUROPE and they took 40 acres and a mule from mine.. So we are taking 50 states and the WHITE HOUSE SO GET OVER IT ALREADY!! (Well actually I am NATIVE American so you all took EVERYTHING from us)..SO actually none of you belong here except my people. All of you are aliens as far as I am concerned.) LET OBAMA BE!! IF you think you can do a better job, you "natural citizens" then You run for freaking president.. If not then sit down and shut the hell up!! Someone has to clean up or at least tempt to clean up this mess you all voted in 8 years ago!!
Posted By: k j on Dec 2008
Rose G u r an idiot!!! HE was born in Hawaii u dumb ass!! shut up until you know facts.....
Posted By: fed up J on Dec 2008
If Obama's lips are moving he is lying.
Posted By: Marianne B on Dec 2008
Strange we have not heard from Justice Thomas up until now. I will be interested to see what happens as a result of his action.
Posted By: Roberta J on Dec 2008
Uncle Thomas is without shame. A truer tom has never been born with an invisible hood, a redneck heart and a streak of hatred of his own race. Hey thomas...bleach your skin and shave your head.
Posted By: Tyrone H on Dec 2008
It never really was an issue where Barack Obama was born as not only does right of soil apply to his birth in the American state of Hawaii but right of descendancy applied as well by the fact that his mother was a Native Born citizen and transfered all the rights that belonged to her to her son, regardless of where Barack Obama was born on this planet.
Posted By: Allen L on Dec 2008
Several critical errors at end of article. Obama has only produced a "Certificate of Live Birth" (CLB), not a birth certificate. At the time of Obama's birth, Hawaii allowed a birth certificate to be placed on file for a person who was born elsewhere. I believe the purpose of a CLB is to formally establish who the parents of a child are in a way that is legal in the U.S. In addition to establishing parenthood for children of U.S. citizens who are born abroad, these CLBs are also commonly used when a child is born at home and there is no hospital-generated birth certificate. Lastly, Hawaiian officials did not say that the birth certificate on file is a U.S. birth certificate. It could be from Kenya and is filed there to document who Obama's parents are so that a CLB could then be issued.
Posted By: Bob H on Dec 2008
I'm not surprised to hear about a duplisitous right winger whether they,be a lawer,or judge using an underhanded trick to discredit anyone who does't share their radical ideology. It sounds like a conservative republican to me even if their fore fathers did condone racial bigotry and injustice. Mabe the sons share the same sentiments as their fathers. Perhaps thts's why they'er called conservatives.
Posted By: John A on Dec 2008
There are several more issues and concerns regarding Obama's natural born eligibility for office raised in the Berg v. Obama lawsuit, also before the SCOTUS in the form of a Writ of Certoriari. Obama and the DNC are to reply within the next few days. Berg has statements, a sworn transcript by a Bishop and audio recorded in which Obama's paternal grandmother in Kenya claims he was born in Mobassa Kenya, and she witnessed it. This would immediately disqualify him from any debate about not being natural born, regardless of having an American mother. Then there is the Indonesian questions. He went to live in Indonesia after his mother married Lolo Soetero, Obama took his name, and was registered in public documents as an Indonesian citizen, at a time of war when Indonesia didn't allow any foreigners to attend their schools. He also traveled at the age of 20 during a summer break from college to Pakistan. At that time (1980) Pakistan was on the front line of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and Pakistan didn't allow US citizens into their country under a U.S. VISA at the time. It is believed he traveled under an Indonesian passport as an Indonesian citizen. No other citizenship or dual citizenship is allowed for POTUS. This would disqualify him as well. It is curious that Obama has demonstrated a pattern of allowing these cases to run the full course of time. He has the power, and ability to end all these suits by producing his original long form hospital birth certificate. He continues to refuse to do so, instead opting for dismissal on dubious grounds, like challenging standing of the plaintiff for instance. He avoids the merits of the allegations and uses delay, obfuscation, and his lack of candor is anathema to his campaign rhetoric. In short, he needs to prove it now.
Posted By: Michael B on Dec 2008
"Natural" Born ?? So any C-section born child can never be president???
Posted By: Richard P on Dec 2008
There were two presidents whose fathers were not natural born US citizens: James Buchanan and Chester Arthur. Arthur was born on the Vermont - Canada border and his opponents tried to use this against him as well. Where in the Constitution does it define "natural born citizen" as someone whose parents were US citizens? No where. What other federal court cases have defined it? I'm sure Mr. Donofrio though had no trouble with defining "high crimes and misdemeanors" as getting a blow job and stretching the truth about it (Mr Clinton was correct in his definition from a dictionary stand point) which was no one's business and not germaine to the case at the time. The 18th century definition of high crimes definitely fits Mr. Bush 1 and 2 as well as Reagan.
Posted By: Robert R on Dec 2008
Due to a "problem," Obama will not be sworn in as the next president. Bush will be forced to extend his term until this "problem" can be resolved. Violence will erupt within our nation as a result. Our troops will be brought home from around the world, but this does not mean peace. Our nation will need all the help it can get to defend itself. World War III will erupt. All the nations will turn against the USA, blaming Bush for this "problem," but by the time the world realizes that Bush was not to blame, it will be too late. Missiles will be dropped on the East Coast, then the West Coast, making 9-11 look very minimal. But with God's help Obama eventually makes it into office and brings peace to the middle east.
Posted By: Angela A on Dec 2008
Common sense tells me that something like this would have been caught a lot sooner than waiting until Obama was elected President. If not by the gazillion committees in place to verify this kind of thing, then at least by a Constitutional Law professor himself... Barack Obama. This is a ridiculous attempt to drag out the same nonsense that occurred during the campaign.
Posted By: K J on Dec 2008
your article implies that there is no dispute regarding Obama's being born in Hawaii, but there is evidence that he was actually born in Kenya. Thus, the petition and arguments are not as far fetched as you imply them to be.
Posted By: jim m on Dec 2008
this is a real good article for the Obama team, so much real info is missing. The Russian Newspapers are actually doing abetter job covering this than the US media
Posted By: Harleyrock1 r on Dec 2008
Obama's birth cert. is on file. NOWHERE does the State make the statement that Obama was born in Hawaii. Obama has to simply show his birth cert. to end this question. Why doesn't he ????????
Posted By: bob h on Dec 2008
I'll point out corrections to just the last paragraph: 1. The Obama campaign did not release a "Birth Certificate". They gave a digital copy of a "Certificate of Live Birth" , which in Hawaii can be issued to those born in other countries. 2. Please verify the actual exact statements from the Director of Hawaii Dept of Health. Because no where have we found that they said the birth certificate they had on record showed he was born in Hawaii. More research and less assumption on your part would prove your actually doing an investigative report.
Posted By: Jessie J on Dec 2008
The question is being raised because the certificate that was posted on Obama's site was a certificate of registration of birth granted by the State of Hawaii to the parents of a child if they claimed to be residences of Hawaii within the last year, and that document has been questioned as having been tampered with by those taking a closer look. As far as proving that he was born in Hawaii, this certificate does not do that. Why did the Governor of Hawaii seal up the certificate they do have and withhold its release so that this question cannot be answered? May Obama graciously release all of his records of identification; passport, service records, etc. necessary to put a halt to the speculations. It would be very simple.
Posted By: Frann L on Dec 2008
FAQ on Obama's birth http://sites.google.com/site/obamabirth Visit
Posted By: FAQ B on Dec 2008
The Director of Hawaii's Dept of health only stated that she had seen the original certificate of live birth. There was no statement that the certificate of live birth she had seen stated that Obama was born on Hawaii. According to the state law in Hawaii, any resident who was born within the last 12 months anywhere in the world would be eligible to receive a Hawaian birth certificate. Tht's why the original document is needed to be presented. Furthermore, as his mother was not an adult at birth, based on the US constitution, she could not transfer citizenship to her child, as Hawaii had just joined the USA. Regradless, I just do not understand why Obama has spent more than $500,000 in legal fees and does not produce a copy of the original certificate? Even to apply for may land deals in Hawaii the state does not accept a birth certificate and they require an official copy of the original certificate of live birth, the one that is signed by the MD after labor.
Posted By: Tina L on Dec 2008
Your writers should do their homework. The question has nothing to do with his father being a Kenyan national. It is only about whether or not Obama was truly born in Hawaii. There is an interesting set of circumstances and it is peculiar that Obama hasn't come out and quashed all the discourse which he could easily do by providing his true birth certificate from Hawaii
Posted By: John M on Dec 2008
Clarence "Uncle" Thomas is the best friend of Rush Limbaugh. He is married to a horrendously ugly white woman. He loves Neil Diamond. What the hell can one expect???
Posted By: Raymond H on Dec 2008
Sorry, the last 7 words of your article show an amazing lack of understanding of the English Language. If you read the ENTIRE statement from Director Chiyome Fukino in regards to the Obama birth records, the statement proves only three (3) things: 1) Barack Obama was born, 2) proof of that birth exists on paper, and 3) their office is in receipt of that paper. Now, where was he born? Since it only costs $12 to get a certified copy of the Vault Copy which ACTUALLY says where he was born, why has Obama spent in excess of $800 THOUSAND trying to keep this issue out of court? What is he hiding? Do not forget that during the 60's Hawai'i allowed people to "register" the births of children born in such places as, say, Kenya, among others. For those interested in just a tad bit of Journalistic Curiosity, read article found at http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-156768 M. Roy Constitutional Counselor
Posted By: M. Roy B on Dec 2008
I just read an affidavit by Bishop Ron McRae of Africa. It is both signed and notarized. In it he claims that Barack Obama was, indeed, born in Mombassa, Kenya. His grandmother also has stated this and claims she was there at his birth. Her comments are referred to in this document. Why would a proud grandmother lie? I wish the very best for Barack Obama, but the US Constitution must be honored afterall isnt it the President who swear to preserve, protect, and defend it?
Posted By: Republican dog C on Dec 2008
Donofrio is not about Obama's citizenship, its about being natural born citizen. Further, the lawsuit also mentions that McCain neither is natural born citizen.
Posted By: Abdiel G on Dec 2008
How many media news outlets will not report this story? How many will slant their objective focus to some other issues? Thank you Afro for the post.
Posted By: A rnild B on Dec 2008
Thank you. This is an excellent article, and explains the different considerations and issues very well. Let's hope that the Supreme Court resolves this in a way that we can put the issue to rest forever. Obama doesn't need this hanging over his head, and we don't need this brought up every time Obama does something they don't like. It can't hurt for Obama to have the Supreme Court's blessing, so to speak.
Posted By: Elle P on Dec 2008
Mr singer is all wrong.The plaintiff is only arguing that obama is not a "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" He does not meet the requirements of the constitution.
Posted By: biille n on Dec 2008
you dont have to be a natural born citizen imop. read the 14th amendment
Posted By: seth o on Dec 2008
This article isn't clear. The constitution, as most people understand it, stipulates that one must be born on US soil to be eligible. Obama was. His Father was not. I don't understand what loophole Donofrio is attempting to use here because there is no case as far as I can see. Please explain.
Posted By: T J on Dec 2008
The article states that it would take a simple majority of five Justices to further the stay. That is incorrect. In a case such as this, it only takes a vote of four Justices to further the stay.
Posted By: Gary D on Dec 2008
I hope this is not true of Justice Thomas
Posted By: warner J on Dec 2008
The debate is not about a question of his being a citizen. It appears that he was NOT born in Hawaii as you contend. If he was, he would have made is Birth Certificate made public, not his Birth Registration. This article adds smoke not clarity.
Posted By: Eric V on Dec 2008
So few people seem able to distinguish the difference between one being a "citizen" which Obama, McCain and Schwartzenegger clearly are, and being a "natural born citizen" which Obama clearly is not.
Posted By: Millie O on Dec 2008
How sad that Audrey Singer isn't able to draw the distinction between a 'citizen' and a natural born citizen. Yes, if one is born on US soil, they are a CITIZEN, but they are not a natural born citizen if their parents aren't US citizens. If there were no difference, then why does the Constitution require Presidents to be natural born, but only requires Senate and House members to be 'citizens'. Clearly there is a difference and people are just refusing to acknowledge the truth.
Posted By: Melissa N on Dec 2008
These people trying to stop the president elect should themselves be investigated with the same thoroughness
Posted By: Alfred C on Dec 2008
The reason we are in this problem is that NO BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS are done confirming birth of anyone in any position except military seeking classified clearances. The President and Vice President, FBI and others have been asked to make the BI immediately and confirm with U.S. Ambassador to Kenya Obama was born in Kenya then arrest and protect everyone while charges possibly of TREASON are brought forward. Pray the right thing is done to stop 16 million voters anger. 120408
Posted By: Ralph W on Dec 2008
thank you
Posted By: Alfred C on Dec 2008
Clarence Thomas: People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!! You are arrogant. Perhaps we should look more closely into your background.
Posted By: Judy M on Dec 2008
judge thomas need to take a chill pill, he,s angry because know one would ever consider him as a presidential candidate. He need to remain the little snoop Bush uses him as
Posted By: Alma N on Dec 2008
I hope that this matter is FINALLY put to rest by the end of the day (Dec. 5, 2008)!! I'm getting so tired of seeing it crop up on the blog circuits and YouTube. Maybe then, they'll remove those stupid videos....IF they have that much sense. All of this because Barack Obama is the President-Elect....
Posted By: G from DC ! on Dec 2008
Why not do some actual research before writing an article like this? The FULL COURT has scheduled this for conference, not just Thomas. Donofrio is not arguing that Obama is a citizen - he is arguing that he is not a natural born citizen. His case his plain and obvious if you read it, and no doubt it would be enlightening to millions of americans who clearly have no clue what the Constitution actually says. You media guys are doing a terrible job. Simply regurgitating stories from other news sources, without any research yourself is simply pathetic and not journalism. You're all in for the shock of your lives when the court rules that Donofrio is correct and Obama cannot be President - you have been deceived. Maybe you should consider who is responsible for this deception.
Posted By: anyone a on Dec 2008
This article isn't clear. The constitution, as most people understand it, stipulates that one must be born on US soil to be eligible. Obama was. His Father was not. I don't understand what loophole Donofrio is attempting to use here because there is no case as far as I can see. Please explain.
Posted By: T J on Dec 2008
Now now SC assoc justice Thomas will now the target of jihadist oThugs! He should be in FBI protection and chief justice, Scalia, Alito, Souter ASAP just like Leo Donofrio!
Posted By: Jay L on Dec 2008
Do you only allow comments that agree with you?
Posted By: T V on Dec 2008
Just called you, sir. Will speak to you at any time. A few corrections: 1. If you check the official docket at the Supreme Court, you will see that there are two entries for Nov. 19. Up until Nov. 28 there was only one. That has led to confusion. The docket was corrected on Nov. 28. On Nov. 19. Justice Thomas referred the application to the full court. Then, after consideration, the full court Distributed the case for conference of Dec. 5, 2008. It's an important distinction that was confirmed by Patricia McCabe Estrada, Deputy Public Public Information officer at SCOTUS on Monday Nov. 1. The full court distributed it. Please note that once it had been referred to the full court, they could have denied it straight away. They didn't. They might on Friday, but they could have done it earlier. 2. I agree Obama is a citizen, but since Obama admits he was a British citizen/subject at birth, he can not be a natural born citizen. Please note that the Constitution distinguishes between Citizens and Natural Born Citizens. "Citizens" who are resident for nine years in the US are eligible to be President. "Citizens" who are resident in the US for seven years are eligible to be Representative. But in order to be President, one must be a "natural born citizen" and that would be a person born in the US to parents who were both US citizens. McCain was not eligible since foreign military bases are not US soil. This is made clear in the Dept. of State Foreign Affairs Manual. Calero was born in Nicaragua and is also not a natural born citizen. The pleadings of my case before SCOTUS say quite clearly that I do not believe Obama has been asked by anybody with the right authority to see his BC...and the SCOTUS pleadings also say that I believe Obama has a legit BC from Hawaii. But his own website says he was a British Citizen at birth. His web site references the British Nationality act of 1948. Here's a direct quote form his web site: “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children. Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.” http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate As for the letter of December 1, that was a letter to the JZustices which explained that I have filed official judicial misconduct charges against a lower court Judge who handled the lower court case. feel free to call me any time at the number I left on your voice mail. Regards, Leo Donofrio
Posted By: Leo D on Dec 2008
I think SInger is wrong. For the children to be legal US citizens, the parents have to be legally in the US, e.g. on a legal visa (study, tourist or residence).
Posted By: Kratos G on Dec 2008
the whole arguement is still about race and colour,there are a lot of us who still dont believe that race, colour are now things of the past, not even in the old south africa.its a bitter pill we must all accept to swallow for a better and brighter world.
Posted By: samuel e on Dec 2008
You all have it wrong. If Obama was born on American soil and his mother was an American citizen, then he's a Born Citizen. His father's status doesn't matter, because it can always be challenged, haven't you been watching Maury. Then the only thing left to consider is "Was the birth by cesarian?" If not, then he's a Natural Born Citizen
Posted By: Milton B on Dec 2008
If Obama's lips are moving he is lying.
Posted By: Marianne B on Dec 2008
Thank you all who are so angered by the presidential election of Barack Obama! You fuel my happiness! From your comments, it is very clear exactly where you stand and why. While you pace your floors at 3 a.m. with clinched fists, spewing hatred from your aching bellies, I am fast asleep with a humongous smile on my face. In fact, I am actually bent over in laughter right now... November 4, 2008 was one of the best days of my life! I agree with Michelle: now I am finally proud of this country. Now, I can finally visualize equality for my upper middle class family(: including my daughter who will soon graduate from a HBCU and my son who plans to attend Harvard University! I advise you to let your anger go because it is inevitable that a wonderful, educated, young, handsome, Black man will be the next president of the United States of America! Just remember, your hate helped make this possible. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Posted By: Rasheedah C on Dec 2008
The question arises, how was Barry Soetoro allowed to enter Pakistan when he did when it was illegal to enter on a US passport? Dual citizenship is the only answer. A citizen of a foreign country which makes Barry native born but not natural thereby not able to be on the ballot. The constitution of the United States of America at his birth and not a "British Nationality Act" governs his ability run as president. In other words our law and not international.
Posted By: Jeff M on Dec 2008
@samuel e, you are just plain stupid if you think the arguments are about the pigment of his skin. It is about the rule of US law or international law and where it governs. Because of his own admission of being a British citizen at birth that is what disqualifies him from running for POTUS.
Posted By: Jeff M on Dec 2008
I am looking at the last name of the one bringing suit and wonders if Mr. Donifrio is an American citizen. His last name is not the name of a WASP(White Anglo-Saxon Protestant)? What strikes me immediately, is that when "white" men were elected president of the U S, no one challenged their citizenship. This is only because you racist cannot stand to see a Black President reside in a structure built by slaves. You in your prejudice believe that only "white" men should hold an office that requires them to reside in what you term the "white-house." To even give it such a name after the slaves built it on free labor is an abomination. If you want to do something constructive for the country, trying convening a continental convention and make one of the agenda items the re-naming of the "white-house?"
Posted By: Alice Y on Dec 2008
Well you can see the conservatives are still double talking, poor losers. While demanding we respect President Bush solely on the basis of his office, conservatives will make up legal precedent to block the inauguration of the legal candidacy of the winner, AGAIN! And to point out to the uninformed (RE: LL), this story has in the main stream media and other sources. There is no conspiracy to cover up anything.
Posted By: Pat B on Dec 2008
Ummm...when did Hawaii leave the United States? Just because you read something in an email about President-elect Obama, it doesn't make it true. These rumors of him having been born in Kenya are as true as the email from a Nigerian prince offering you thousands of dollars if you'll let him make use of your bank account to free up funds. Come on, people. I thought we were all smarter than that.
Posted By: Eric A on Dec 2008
"which shows he was born there" Not only is this article wrong in many aspects but the writer adds to quotes to make the story sound correct. The actual statement was Fukino had seen Obama actual birth certificate. The Birth certificate Obama has shown a copy of and admits it is a copy is a certification of live birth created 4 days after Obama says he was born. A certification of live birth is prepared simply by the word of the parent that he was in fact born somewhere. Certification of live birth is not citizenship. Also it is said Stanley Ann Dunham was born in Kansas but there is no proof whatsoever she was a American citizen and she went to school in Beirut Lebanon in primary grades. Obama, hand over the vault BC and let;s see what you are hiding. It may simply be that his adoptive name is Barry Soetoro on that document as a amendment and he lied on his law license application. Then he will be disbarred because Obama has used many alias and they are on legal documents tied to property with his mother and grandmother.
Posted By: B s on Dec 2008
rasheedah, your daughter is graduating and your son is going to Harvard. I applaud you but it sure seems to me you have done well to afford to put two kids through ultra expensive college. The same with Obama and Michelle they had the best. I certainly could not afford to put my children through Harvard. But then they would not be accepted because you have to be a minority or have a alumnus in the college to get in if you are white. How is that fair Rasheedah? Do you not think that is unequal? How do you feel that foreign students have more right to Harvard than Americans? Obama will be swearing to uphold the Consitution on the bible ibn full knowledge he has lied to the American people. Once you let him get away with one lie or one fraud, as there have been many with Obama, he will continue. The people of America will not view Obama as their president until he has proven he is elgible. We value our Constitution whether Obama does or not. I would like to ask you Rasheedah, what has Obama done that is intelligent and wonderful? Can you explain a few historical facts about Obama and what he has done while in the senate? Since we have no records of Obama's past how does one know Obama is intelligent or wonderful. As for anger, Rasheedah, you have anyone I know beat in the anger department. If Muchelle has your anger she has no place in the White House and Obama has no place governing America. We are a melting pot of ethnicities. All people have the right to pursue happiness. They do not have the right to have it handed to them.
Posted By: B S on Dec 2008
judym, clarence thomas has a book out right now on the stores. It talks about his life. I suggest you get it so you have a baseline to go on abotu Clarence Thomas just as you do with Obama. Right? All we have is two books on Obama in his own words to go on and you ask for nothing else to prove who Obama is. So now the new requirement for eligibility by you Obama supporters is their autobiographies. Go ahead dig into Thomas past as much as you did Obama's.
Posted By: B S on Dec 2008
To all of you who are still in denial and very angry about Obama's victory into the Highest Office of the United States. Too bad, just get over it already and go on with your lives. It's a new day and a new time. Your new black friend Sharon
Posted By: Sharon J on Dec 2008
Obama was elected by voter fraud and massive amounts of money by George Soros and his groups. Money laundering from foreign sources and main stream media ownership. Now the people who are not hypnotized that Obama is the messiah want the truth about Obama. Hand over the BC just like we all do as citizens in certain times in our life and this will go away.
Posted By: B S on Dec 2008
Everybody make sure you copy Rasheedah comments. That is ultimate hatred in this country we are dealing with. We have struggled to end racism in this country but people like Rasheedah and Obama decide to fuel it on and use it as strategy for pity and the election. How very sad. When will they let it go and see America as their land of freedom.
Posted By: B S on Dec 2008
Does Clarence "Uncle" Thomas have an ax to grind with Barack? I think he does. Here's why: Barack nominated Eric Holder to be Attorney General, right? Eric Holder worked for Janet Reno during Bill Clinton's presidency, right? Janet Reno was Anita Hill's biggest supporter when she (Anita Hill) accused Clarence "Uncle" Thomas of making inappropiate sexual advances towards her during his (Clarence Thomas) confirmation hearings, right? HELLO!!!!!
Posted By: Smooth Thug G on Dec 2008
A white man will never understand what it's like to walk in a black man's shoes. We're proud to have a black man elected as president of these United States and look forward to serving him. Quite frankly, I could care less where he was born or if he's a natural citizen. The constitution wasn't written with us in mind anyway. Who is a natural citizen and where does it begin? I'm sure my forefathers weren't born here. When did I become natural? I'm an American citizen by birth and that's enough for me.
Posted By: Denise M on Dec 2008
BS thank you for proving my point! I won't get into a debate about my "hatred" or needing pity (lol) because that it is the game that people like you play and I refuse to indulge you. FYI: my daughter is graduating from a HBCU (Historically Black College or University). Does that also anger you? My son is only 11 years old. I said that he PLANS to attend Harvard University. If he does, it won't be because he's a minority but because he's academically deserving. In fact, by then, we probably won't be the minority anymore. Put that in your hate hat B S.
Posted By: Rasheedah C on Dec 2008
B S, you sound very ignorant. I am the daughter of Rasheedah and I would like to have you know that I am putting myself through college. I also have scholarships and internships. Your comments directed at my mother are off topic and have nothing to do with the news story above. You venomous comments directed to my mother will not most likely be addressed because they are irrelevant. From what I read, I don't see hatred at all. I see her point and you are upset for no reason. As a matter of fact, I am laughing at you as well... Oh wait, let me stop before I sound like i have "ultimate hatred in this country". I will tell you what racism and hatred is! How about attending a predominately white school with only handful of people who look like you and being called a "Black bitch" or a "Nigger". Try having a white teacher ignore you when you are attempting to participate in class. Hatred is being pulled over in a nice car, in a nice neighborhood for no reason because you "don't fit the profile of someone who should have these possessions." I got off topic stooping to your level, but the fact remains that Barack Obama is the Black President of the United States and all of you who are trying to find ways to get around it have to DEAL WITH IT!!! He is a well-educated Black man who is a lot more qualified than most of our past presidents. Nothing was handed to him, he worked for what he has. People are always trying to discredit his accomplishments. While I do feel upset that foreigners come to my university and ride through for free, as the spawn of a hard-working race that is innovative and persistent, it just makes me work harder. Stop whining and complaining ("it's not fair!") Instead of working AGAINST him, work WITH him for get this country back on track. Be mad at Bush for it's current state. BACK OBAMA is our new President, shouldn't you haters just be happy that Bush is gone?!?!... idiots
Posted By: MissHoward U on Dec 2008
LMAO!!! The people have spoken and the voting is done, all we have to do now is inaugurate the chosen one. To all who are ill and all who are wrought, my suggestion to you is...Don't be distraught, for the day has come and the world has seen, America is bigger than you being mean. And before you make a smart ass comment... I served my great country as a soldier for 20 years, so that small minds like you can exercise your right to free speech.
Posted By: Rodolfo F on Dec 2008
Ms. Rasheedah and MissHoward u, we can relax for now. Today, the Supreme Court rejected and dismissed the stay that Donofrio had filed which would have blocked Barack from taking office. Now we only have a stay filed by Wrotnowski to worry about and that one will be looked at on friday. Since it is identical to the one filed by Donofrio, I'm hoping that the Supreme Court will reject that one too. Don't let B S sweat you. He's just one of the many people in this country who are so upset that a black man has been elected president that they don't know what to do; they see Barack as a black man who, so called, got out of his place and ran for president. You know what I'm sayin'? MissHoward U, from your moniker, I take it that you attend Howard University. Please do yourself, your mother, and your entire family a big favor... you make sure you graduate and get that degree; make your entire family proud of you. I take my hat off to you for doing what a young lady is supposed to be doing... getting herself a good education.
Posted By: Smooth Thug G on Dec 2008
In response to Judy A's comment: A slap in the face to all Americans occurs when justice is thwarted and fraud is tolerated. The birth certificate put forth by the Obama camp couldn't even get him into college. This case is a bit complicated and deserves to be sorted out. That's no slap in the face to anyone. It's just due diligence. Americans would be wise to not only tolerate, but encourage truth finding--and how can that happen if we "assume". Lets see the proof. Where's the beef?
Posted By: Terry R on Dec 2008
Shame on you Mr. Thomas. We should be praying for this man and not trying to pull him down. This is all spiritual which you may not see right now, but time will tell
Posted By: A Canadian Citizen L on Dec 2008
Regarding the eloquent Aron S: "All of you Obama detractors, as you scream at African-Americans regarding "Slavery", President-Elect Obama was chosen by the majority of the people, so get the "f" over it!! A-Holes!!!!From: Aaron S 12/5/2008 10:42:47 PM " hey bozo: it's not about being black, you have to be one eighth (12.5%) of a race to claim it- he is only 6% black, 50% white and the rest is ARAB. Use that so called education you think you got and do the math- IDIOT ! One rule everyone seems to overloook is that the MOTHER should have been 19 - BO says she was 18 - CASE CLOSED - NEXT !
Posted By: Jamp P on Dec 2008
TO ALL OF YOU WHO BELIEVE IN GOD. THE FOLLOWING SUMS IT UP IN A NUTSHELL. "WHAT GOD AS PUT TOGETHER LET NO MAN PUT ASUNDER" SO WHY WASTE YOUR TIME ON PEOPLE LIKE THAT SUPREME COURT DUDE! HIS NAME WON'T EVEN COME OUT OF MY MOUTH. OR HIS SIDEKICKS. WE EXPECT THAT BS FROM THEM. AS OUR NEW PRESIDENT WOULD "YES WE CAN" NOTICE IT SAYS WE, NOT THEM. I PERSONALLY THINK IT IS SICKENING THEY WON'T OR CAN'T ACCEPT WHAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR EYES. ANOTHER WISE WORD FROM OBAMA, HE SAID THIS IN HIS VICTORY SPEECH. "I WILL BE YOUR PRESIDENT AND THEIR'S" WHAT A SLAP IN THE FACE, HUH, THE TRUTH HURTS AND AS YOU CAN SEE BY SOME OF THE COMMENTS, THEY CAN'T STAND THE PAIN! AND TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST ABOUT IT, THE BROTHER AIN'T BLACK OR WHITE, HE'S AN AMERICAN AND THE BEST MAN FOR THE JOB AS EVIDENCED BY HIS VICTORY AND THE AMERICANS HELPING IN HIS DEFEAT. OH THE PAIN, THE PAIN THE PAIN. LOL. WE KNOW THAT RACE HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THEIR ACTIONS, BUT IT SHOWS HOW IGNORANT THEY REALLY ARE. SO LIKE I SAID, "WHY WASTE YOUR TIME" GOD HAS SPOKEN! AND HE HAS THE FINAL WORD.
Posted By: ODEEP7 N on Dec 2008
I have never seen so much reverse racism in one place. Some people won't see the forest for the trees. Just because people are not FOR Obama, you say it's because he's black. You think only white people voted against him? Well...really...I think he's more Arabic than black. What is he? One-fourth black? His mother was white, his father was Arabic and Kenyan? That makes him BLACK? I think not. Oh that he were! How can someone be called "black" when they're at least half white? And what religion is someone if they're half Christian and half Muslim? There's another question that can't be answered other than to say, "Who CARES?". Integrity is what counts, and I, for one, am not convinced Obama has it. THAT's why I didn't vote for him.
Posted By: Delano R on Dec 2008
It's all over, folks. Accept it. Barack Obama is your next president. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/washington/AP-Scotus-Obama.html?_r=1
Posted By: Mark J on Dec 2008
You cannot hinder what God has ordained no matter how hard you try. This is nothing to panic about. Take a deep breath and prepare for the next four years.
Posted By: Linda Dominique H on Dec 2008
Actually, is BHO really the President? His mother, for him, renounced his citizenship when she moved to and lived in Indonesia. Indonesia DEMANDS that anyone that goes to school there be an Indonesian. You CANNOT be a US citizen and attend school in Indonesia. NOT POSSIBLE!! (at the time BHO went to school). ALSO, his Grandmother has stated that she WAS THERE in Africa when he was born. SHE WAS THERE?? In AFRICA?? WHEN HE WAS BORN?? It's a little hard to be born in Hawaii when your own Grandmother insists that she was there WHEN BHO WAS BORN and she has never been to Hawaii!!!!! And, yes, what the LONG VERSION VAULT COPY of his live birth????? If he doesn't have anything to hide, then he needs to produce it, squash all these lawsuits and bring all of US TOGETHER like he promised!!! SO, WHY hasn't he brought us all together?? I would suspect because he CAN'T produce a LONG VAULT COPY of his birth certificate, THAT'S WHY!!!!!!!! Let's face it, the next 4 yrs will be FILLED with lawsuits everytime BHO signs something that affects ANY US CITIZEN. WHY?? Because the experts haven't seen his birth certificate and it would be a tragedy for the US to ignore the CONSTITUTION that is the backbone of this country. And if you don't like the Constitution, then move somewhere else!!!!!! If you don't like the rules, then CHANGE THEM or LIVE BY THEM, don't just ignore them.
Posted By: Kerry K on Dec 2008
Once again people are letting race cloud their better judgment. Lets stop all the HATE rhetoric and look at the facts. FACT: Obama was born in Hawaii. Do you really think our government would be irresponsable enough to even let him run for senate without positivly knowing his citizenship? FACT: Obama is a NATURAL BORN AMERICAN. He was not a British citizen just because his dad was one. HE WAS NOT BORN IN BRITAIN. He was born in America, so that makes him souly an American citizen. The Constitution is the Constitution people.
Posted By: Ray D on Dec 2008
am 95 years white man from georgia. Did you know that Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge — had black ancestors. Nobody questioned their birth certificate because their skin was whiter. Think about it. Most of people are hiding behind OBAMA birth certificate to claim that he is not fit to be president. OBAMA was born here: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_1961_birth_announcement_from_Honolulu_Advertiser. CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN BY SLAVE OWNERS. THIS is 21St century.
Posted By: doubsack G on Dec 2008
This statement is absolutely NOT true.. “There is no way that anyone can argue about whether Barack Obama is a citizen,” Singer said. “In this country, we have a system known as jus soli or birthright by citizenship. You are a citizen by being born on American soil." Children born on american soil of parents who are not under jurisdiction of the US, are not citizens, and certainly not natural born citizens.
Posted By: mieke t on Dec 2008
America has not been the land of the free, until it allow all of those born in Ameerica. It is still with short comings: here is a man that think within himself to be a success, even though he has shown himself to be used against his own people; many blacks think themselves white because they are married to white. I am a 68 year old Blackman, that as a child, was told I could not be President of America, and there would never be a Blackman as President of America! this man should jumping for J.O.Y. (JESUS OVER you(US))
Posted By: Robert E on Dec 2008
It is quite clear that Barack Obama is a US citizen. Being born in a US state, Hawaii, this fact is undeniable. More tenable is the argument that perhaps John McCain, who was not born in US, was eligible to seek be president.
Posted By: Mike C on Dec 2008
I believe I can safely say that none of us have ever seen Mr. Obama's long form actual certificate of live birth, which actually states where a person was actually born. So, if Mr. Obama has nothing to hide, then it should not be a problem for him [or anyone else in the future] to provide the necessary documentation to prove their citizenship. Because actually what is at stake here is the United States Constitution and the future of our nation as a federal republic.
Posted By: Dwight N on May 2009
The question has nothing to do with his father being a Kenyan national. It is only about whether or not Obama was truly born in Hawaii. There is an interesting set of circumstances and it is peculiar that Obama hasn't come out and quashed all the discourse which he could easily do by providing his true birth certificate from Hawaii. club penguin
Posted By: John p on Jun 2009
I got off topic stooping to your level, but the fact remains that Barack Obama is the Black President of the United States and all of you who are trying to find ways to get around it have to DEAL WITH IT!!! He is a well-educated Black man who is a lot more qualified than most of our past presidents. Nothing was handed to him, he worked for what he has. People are always trying to discredit his accomplishments. life experience master degree | Online Associate nursing degrees | life experience phd degree
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